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	Comments on: Lago Agrio: Steven Donziger Sentenced to Six Months In Jail (with a Letters Blogatory Apologia)	</title>
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		By: Stephen Woodruff		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3595</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Woodruff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 03:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3593&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

Grossly undercharged, if you ask me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3593">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>Grossly undercharged, if you ask me.</p>
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		By: Stephen Woodruff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Woodruff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 02:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3588&quot;&gt;Charles Siegel&lt;/a&gt;.

I am in complete agreement, Charles.  I can only add that Donziger&#039;s &quot;sheer stupidity&quot; is born of arrogance and megalomania.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3588">Charles Siegel</a>.</p>
<p>I am in complete agreement, Charles.  I can only add that Donziger&#8217;s &#8220;sheer stupidity&#8221; is born of arrogance and megalomania.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3592&quot;&gt;kotodama&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair point! Perhaps we would agree that the January 6 people were mostly undercharged. On the other hand, we don’t know yet what the story of the January 6 prosecutions will look like overall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3592">kotodama</a>.</p>
<p>Fair point! Perhaps we would agree that the January 6 people were mostly undercharged. On the other hand, we don’t know yet what the story of the January 6 prosecutions will look like overall.</p>
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		By: kotodama		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kotodama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 00:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ll just say one thing.  Apparently what Donziger did is much worse than assaulting the Capitol, if you go by the relative length of sentence he received.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll just say one thing.  Apparently what Donziger did is much worse than assaulting the Capitol, if you go by the relative length of sentence he received.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 22:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3589&quot;&gt;James&lt;/a&gt;.

James, there is an interesting paper from several years back by Chris Whytock and Cassandra Burke on the question, and you might check out &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/05/30/a-new-kind-of-estoppel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;. I think the reason estoppel couldn&#039;t really carry the day was that in its undertaking to the US court, which led to the forum non conveniens dismissal, Chevron agreed to litigate in Ecuador but it expressly reserved its right to challenge recognition on the grounds set out in New York law, which include fraud, etc. I still think there was a good argument in principle that as long as the foreign judiciary overall was adequate, fraud in the first-instance proceedings shouldn&#039;t be enough, but the US statutes aren&#039;t really drafted that way. My big-picture view was that when Chevron sought to have the case sent to Ecuador, it figured it would get a corrupt, right-wing court, but in the interim, there was a change in government, and it got a corrupt, left-wing court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3589">James</a>.</p>
<p>James, there is an interesting paper from several years back by Chris Whytock and Cassandra Burke on the question, and you might check out <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/05/30/a-new-kind-of-estoppel/" rel="nofollow ugc">this post</a>. I think the reason estoppel couldn&#8217;t really carry the day was that in its undertaking to the US court, which led to the forum non conveniens dismissal, Chevron agreed to litigate in Ecuador but it expressly reserved its right to challenge recognition on the grounds set out in New York law, which include fraud, etc. I still think there was a good argument in principle that as long as the foreign judiciary overall was adequate, fraud in the first-instance proceedings shouldn&#8217;t be enough, but the US statutes aren&#8217;t really drafted that way. My big-picture view was that when Chevron sought to have the case sent to Ecuador, it figured it would get a corrupt, right-wing court, but in the interim, there was a change in government, and it got a corrupt, left-wing court.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3590</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3588&quot;&gt;Charles Siegel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Charles, for the comment. I recall a few years ago unhappiness among some in the human rights community about Donziger brining their work into disrepute. I don&#039;t know what has happened since then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3588">Charles Siegel</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Charles, for the comment. I recall a few years ago unhappiness among some in the human rights community about Donziger brining their work into disrepute. I don&#8217;t know what has happened since then.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 16:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3588&quot;&gt;Charles Siegel&lt;/a&gt;.

Any authority for that particular estoppel application? Make sense to me and I’d like to read more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/10/02/lago-agrio-steven-donziger-sentenced-to-six-months-in-jail-with-a-letters-blogatory-apologia/#comment-3588">Charles Siegel</a>.</p>
<p>Any authority for that particular estoppel application? Make sense to me and I’d like to read more.</p>
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		By: Charles Siegel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Siegel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have followed this case from the beginning, and had some potential involvement both early and late in the game that never amounted to anything. Donziger has done himself no favors, and his constant references to himself as a &quot;human rights lawyer&quot; are grating in the extreme. He is a plaintiffs&#039; lawyer who messed up his own case through acts of sheer stupidity. Having said that, to me the great injustice of the case is that through a relentless focus on Donziger and his misdeeds, Chevron&#039;s phalanxes of lawyers convinced Judge Kaplan to overlook the obvious truth of what you said at the beginning: having insisted that only the Ecuadoran legal system can decide the case, Chevron should not be heard to complain when it produces a verdict against them--especially one upheld at the appellate level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have followed this case from the beginning, and had some potential involvement both early and late in the game that never amounted to anything. Donziger has done himself no favors, and his constant references to himself as a &#8220;human rights lawyer&#8221; are grating in the extreme. He is a plaintiffs&#8217; lawyer who messed up his own case through acts of sheer stupidity. Having said that, to me the great injustice of the case is that through a relentless focus on Donziger and his misdeeds, Chevron&#8217;s phalanxes of lawyers convinced Judge Kaplan to overlook the obvious truth of what you said at the beginning: having insisted that only the Ecuadoran legal system can decide the case, Chevron should not be heard to complain when it produces a verdict against them&#8211;especially one upheld at the appellate level.</p>
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