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		By: hardreaders		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3531</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[I get what you&#039;re saying, and I tend not to disagree, but you&#039;re also speaking in generalities.  Can you point out some specific examples--beyond what I&#039;ve listed already--where Trump egregiously abused emergency powers in a way that was completely unexpected?

For the ones I listed, the issue with the border wall as I understand it turned out to revolve around mostly (1) improper reallocation of some funding sources and (2) whether references such as &quot;border fencing&quot; could be non-frivolously interpreted to include something out of Game of Thrones.  Those issues seem fairly discrete and quite amenable to targeted legislative fixes, a number of which I believe have been proposed already by those in the know.  Not really earth-shattering stuff there.  Likewise for the tariffs.  It&#039;s just a tax on imports.  So amend the relevant statutes to expressly prohibit or limit tariffs and similar things.  (There&#039;s also the travel ban, if you want to include that in the emergency powers category.  Again, that involves one particular statute...)

If you are proposing more wholesale and wide-reaching modifications to the emergency powers, like I said at the start, can you explain why and what other specific abuses were committed to necessitate that?

As for the &quot;Congress should just do something and make everything wonderful!&quot; argument, that just seems like the centrist party line to me.  We all know from Civics 101 that Congress isn&#039;t monolithic right?  The Senate for example can have different permutations of Ds and Rs.  So when Ds are in the minority, are you blaming them for not getting emergency power reform legislation passed?  I&#039;m not aware of any magic spell they can recite to suddenly be in the majority and start passing legislation.  What I&#039;m mean is, if you think Congress is at fault, and Rs have the majority, surely the Rs specifically--and not a fictional, single &quot;Congress&quot;--shoulder the lion&#039;s share of the blame for failing to exercise their majority powers, right?  You may also have heard this referred to as &quot;Murc&#039;s law&quot;.  The Ds would gladly make the necessary changes, but you sort of need a majority (and filibuster proof, at least for now) to do that, and the Senate has a built-in permanent gerrymander that favors red states with more trees, rocks, and dirt than actual inhabitants.

You can probably see a lot of similarities to the discussion about Happy at this point.  And then given all the legislative obstacles to implementing the changes you claim to want, are you going to begrudge Ds who seek these changes and their fellow-travelers from pursuing the litigation path?  Even if you don&#039;t, the deck is also stacked against them in the circuit courts and SCOTUS, as we&#039;ve seen in the border wall, travel ban, etc. litigations.  And gee, I wonder who appointed most of those judges/justices who keep ruling against them?  I don&#039;t think it was a Democratic president.

So what I&#039;m saying is, the blame isn&#039;t exactly distributed evenly here.  Which is again why this constant rote insistence that *both* sides have to compromise/reach across the aisle, etc. always boggles my mind.  Finally, let&#039;s be quite clear.  &quot;we&quot; did *not* elect a demagogue.  As you know, most people voted against him--twice!--so don&#039;t put it on them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get what you&#8217;re saying, and I tend not to disagree, but you&#8217;re also speaking in generalities.  Can you point out some specific examples&#8211;beyond what I&#8217;ve listed already&#8211;where Trump egregiously abused emergency powers in a way that was completely unexpected?</p>
<p>For the ones I listed, the issue with the border wall as I understand it turned out to revolve around mostly (1) improper reallocation of some funding sources and (2) whether references such as &#8220;border fencing&#8221; could be non-frivolously interpreted to include something out of Game of Thrones.  Those issues seem fairly discrete and quite amenable to targeted legislative fixes, a number of which I believe have been proposed already by those in the know.  Not really earth-shattering stuff there.  Likewise for the tariffs.  It&#8217;s just a tax on imports.  So amend the relevant statutes to expressly prohibit or limit tariffs and similar things.  (There&#8217;s also the travel ban, if you want to include that in the emergency powers category.  Again, that involves one particular statute&#8230;)</p>
<p>If you are proposing more wholesale and wide-reaching modifications to the emergency powers, like I said at the start, can you explain why and what other specific abuses were committed to necessitate that?</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;Congress should just do something and make everything wonderful!&#8221; argument, that just seems like the centrist party line to me.  We all know from Civics 101 that Congress isn&#8217;t monolithic right?  The Senate for example can have different permutations of Ds and Rs.  So when Ds are in the minority, are you blaming them for not getting emergency power reform legislation passed?  I&#8217;m not aware of any magic spell they can recite to suddenly be in the majority and start passing legislation.  What I&#8217;m mean is, if you think Congress is at fault, and Rs have the majority, surely the Rs specifically&#8211;and not a fictional, single &#8220;Congress&#8221;&#8211;shoulder the lion&#8217;s share of the blame for failing to exercise their majority powers, right?  You may also have heard this referred to as &#8220;Murc&#8217;s law&#8221;.  The Ds would gladly make the necessary changes, but you sort of need a majority (and filibuster proof, at least for now) to do that, and the Senate has a built-in permanent gerrymander that favors red states with more trees, rocks, and dirt than actual inhabitants.</p>
<p>You can probably see a lot of similarities to the discussion about Happy at this point.  And then given all the legislative obstacles to implementing the changes you claim to want, are you going to begrudge Ds who seek these changes and their fellow-travelers from pursuing the litigation path?  Even if you don&#8217;t, the deck is also stacked against them in the circuit courts and SCOTUS, as we&#8217;ve seen in the border wall, travel ban, etc. litigations.  And gee, I wonder who appointed most of those judges/justices who keep ruling against them?  I don&#8217;t think it was a Democratic president.</p>
<p>So what I&#8217;m saying is, the blame isn&#8217;t exactly distributed evenly here.  Which is again why this constant rote insistence that *both* sides have to compromise/reach across the aisle, etc. always boggles my mind.  Finally, let&#8217;s be quite clear.  &#8220;we&#8221; did *not* elect a demagogue.  As you know, most people voted against him&#8211;twice!&#8211;so don&#8217;t put it on them.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3530</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3529&quot;&gt;hardreaders&lt;/a&gt;.

Regarding emergency powers: Congress assumed, when it enacted various emergency laws, that there was little or no danger that the people would elect a demagogue who could abuse them. But we did elect a demagogue&#8212;fortunately an incompetent demagogue. We need to be better prepared for next time, and the way to do that is to cut the imperial presidency down to size. But that means Congress once again assuming the burden of policymaking and legislation for the nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3529">hardreaders</a>.</p>
<p>Regarding emergency powers: Congress assumed, when it enacted various emergency laws, that there was little or no danger that the people would elect a demagogue who could abuse them. But we did elect a demagogue&mdash;fortunately an incompetent demagogue. We need to be better prepared for next time, and the way to do that is to cut the imperial presidency down to size. But that means Congress once again assuming the burden of policymaking and legislation for the nation.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2021 04:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I assume Robert Boylan is replying to Gilles Cuniberti?  If so, then generally I agree with R.B. and not with G.C. (except the part about Elaine Chao--I wouldn&#039;t read anything into that; she&#039;s just another rat jumping ship, except that this one&#039;s already in Davy Jones&#039; Locker).

To Attorney Folkman&#039;s OP, I also agree for the most part.  But I&#039;m just a bit curious about the last bullet.  Were emergency powers at all implicated in this or other recent events?  Maybe I missed that part, but I didn&#039;t think they were.  So this bullet feels like somewhat of a non sequitur.

Yes, I take it Trump has used them more than some predecessors.  But AFAIK they tended to be for specific things like his pathetic spite wall and &quot;Gyna&quot; tariffs.  They also tended to have some foreign policy component to them.  Ironically, as it seems to me, the one time it would actually have been appropriate to deploy fulsome emergency powers domestically--for COVID, of course--he was extremely reluctant and stingy.  Likewise, his minions all screamed bloody murder whenever a D governor tried to wield state-level emergency powers.  So I think if anything Rs are more committed to the principle that gov&#039;t should be deprived of all power whatsoever to do something that&#039;s actually beneficial, or least beneficial to anyone not a rich white cishet Christian (sometimes court Jews are ok, maybe [before anyone starts to protest note that I am a card-carrying member of the Tribe]) male.

Given the above, I would be very leery of any efforts to twiddle with emergency powers.  In fact, I would be particularly suspicious if those efforts were bipartisan.  It&#039;s quite possible that Biden may want to use emergency powers more generously for COVID once he assumes office, so Rs might actually jump at the opportunity to kneecap him by dialing back emergency powers before he even gets the chance.

That&#039;s not to say things like the wall and tariffs weren&#039;t extremely problematic, but presumably those can be addressed by targeted fixes instead of an unnecessary bazooka/mosquito approach.

(PS no matter how much I try, I can never understand the centrist infatuation with bipartisan for the sake of it.  Just remember that the most popular legislation around these days (ACA) passed on a party-line vote, while DOMA and the Patriot Act were overwhelmingly bipartisan.  Yay comity and reaching-across-the-aisle!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume Robert Boylan is replying to Gilles Cuniberti?  If so, then generally I agree with R.B. and not with G.C. (except the part about Elaine Chao&#8211;I wouldn&#8217;t read anything into that; she&#8217;s just another rat jumping ship, except that this one&#8217;s already in Davy Jones&#8217; Locker).</p>
<p>To Attorney Folkman&#8217;s OP, I also agree for the most part.  But I&#8217;m just a bit curious about the last bullet.  Were emergency powers at all implicated in this or other recent events?  Maybe I missed that part, but I didn&#8217;t think they were.  So this bullet feels like somewhat of a non sequitur.</p>
<p>Yes, I take it Trump has used them more than some predecessors.  But AFAIK they tended to be for specific things like his pathetic spite wall and &#8220;Gyna&#8221; tariffs.  They also tended to have some foreign policy component to them.  Ironically, as it seems to me, the one time it would actually have been appropriate to deploy fulsome emergency powers domestically&#8211;for COVID, of course&#8211;he was extremely reluctant and stingy.  Likewise, his minions all screamed bloody murder whenever a D governor tried to wield state-level emergency powers.  So I think if anything Rs are more committed to the principle that gov&#8217;t should be deprived of all power whatsoever to do something that&#8217;s actually beneficial, or least beneficial to anyone not a rich white cishet Christian (sometimes court Jews are ok, maybe [before anyone starts to protest note that I am a card-carrying member of the Tribe]) male.</p>
<p>Given the above, I would be very leery of any efforts to twiddle with emergency powers.  In fact, I would be particularly suspicious if those efforts were bipartisan.  It&#8217;s quite possible that Biden may want to use emergency powers more generously for COVID once he assumes office, so Rs might actually jump at the opportunity to kneecap him by dialing back emergency powers before he even gets the chance.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say things like the wall and tariffs weren&#8217;t extremely problematic, but presumably those can be addressed by targeted fixes instead of an unnecessary bazooka/mosquito approach.</p>
<p>(PS no matter how much I try, I can never understand the centrist infatuation with bipartisan for the sake of it.  Just remember that the most popular legislation around these days (ACA) passed on a party-line vote, while DOMA and the Patriot Act were overwhelmingly bipartisan.  Yay comity and reaching-across-the-aisle!)</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3528</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3526&quot;&gt;Gilles Cuniberti&lt;/a&gt;.

Gilles, &quot;Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, &lt;strong&gt;and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; So impeachment actually is the way to ensure that he cannot run again for office.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3526">Gilles Cuniberti</a>.</p>
<p>Gilles, &#8220;Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, <strong>and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.</strong>&#8221; So impeachment actually is the way to ensure that he cannot run again for office.</p>
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		By: Robert Boylan		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2021/01/06/american-carnage/#comment-3527</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t agree. In a pure and idealized Athenian democracy (with a very limited franchise),citizens exchanged  ideas and reached a consensus. At least that was how it was supposed to work but probably never did. In the real world of the 21st century, leaders have a role to play. They must stand for moral rectitude and act on their principles rather than follow the path of least resistance. You say he&#039;ll be back in four years but the impeachment clause forbids an impeached President fro ever holding a position of profit or trust under the government of the United States and it cannot be erased by a presidential pardon. Sen. McConnell is the key. Given the fact that his wife just resigned as Transportation Secretary, with his apparent approval, impeachment could succeed as it should.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t agree. In a pure and idealized Athenian democracy (with a very limited franchise),citizens exchanged  ideas and reached a consensus. At least that was how it was supposed to work but probably never did. In the real world of the 21st century, leaders have a role to play. They must stand for moral rectitude and act on their principles rather than follow the path of least resistance. You say he&#8217;ll be back in four years but the impeachment clause forbids an impeached President fro ever holding a position of profit or trust under the government of the United States and it cannot be erased by a presidential pardon. Sen. McConnell is the key. Given the fact that his wife just resigned as Transportation Secretary, with his apparent approval, impeachment could succeed as it should.</p>
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		By: Gilles Cuniberti		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Ted,

I understand your anger. But I fear that it was stupid to impeach trump then, and it would be stupid to impeach him now. You will make him even more a martyr, and he will be back in four years.

Do not forget: he got about 50% of the votes this time. Do not provide him with the few extra votes he will need in four years.

Gilles]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ted,</p>
<p>I understand your anger. But I fear that it was stupid to impeach trump then, and it would be stupid to impeach him now. You will make him even more a martyr, and he will be back in four years.</p>
<p>Do not forget: he got about 50% of the votes this time. Do not provide him with the few extra votes he will need in four years.</p>
<p>Gilles</p>
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