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	Comments on: Editorial: The ABA Should Not Amend Model Rule 1.8(e)	</title>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2020/07/29/editorial-the-aba-should-not-amend-model-rule-1-8e/#comment-3458&quot;&gt;Antonio Di Stefano&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the comment, Antonio! The proposed rule change only addresses pro bono representation, so I don&#039;t think that it does anything really to solve the problem of access to justice, which, as you say, is indeed a big problem. The clients the rule change is meant to help &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; have a free lawyer. The question is whether paying their rent, say, goes too far in encouraging claims that would not otherwise be brought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2020/07/29/editorial-the-aba-should-not-amend-model-rule-1-8e/#comment-3458">Antonio Di Stefano</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, Antonio! The proposed rule change only addresses pro bono representation, so I don&#8217;t think that it does anything really to solve the problem of access to justice, which, as you say, is indeed a big problem. The clients the rule change is meant to help <em>already</em> have a free lawyer. The question is whether paying their rent, say, goes too far in encouraging claims that would not otherwise be brought.</p>
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		By: Antonio Di Stefano		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio Di Stefano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I advanced some living expenses in  a case I handled in low-bono, to a mother abandoned in a foreign country with two infants, because I knew she survived mainly on charity of the local population.  Never perceived any problem with it.  The arrangement was she would paying me back when she got distribution of property back in the US.  I checked and confirmed that such assistance is legal under California  law, where I am licensed. But it is not allowed under Oklahoma law where her divorce and her property are located.  Civil litigation in most states has become so expensive that even the salaried middle class can hardly afford it.  Rules that categorically forbid assistance only help ensure that the indigent and the unfortunate are denied any resources to protect their rights. And they most certainly won&#039;t be able to do that if they must struggle to even stay alive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I advanced some living expenses in  a case I handled in low-bono, to a mother abandoned in a foreign country with two infants, because I knew she survived mainly on charity of the local population.  Never perceived any problem with it.  The arrangement was she would paying me back when she got distribution of property back in the US.  I checked and confirmed that such assistance is legal under California  law, where I am licensed. But it is not allowed under Oklahoma law where her divorce and her property are located.  Civil litigation in most states has become so expensive that even the salaried middle class can hardly afford it.  Rules that categorically forbid assistance only help ensure that the indigent and the unfortunate are denied any resources to protect their rights. And they most certainly won&#8217;t be able to do that if they must struggle to even stay alive.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2020/07/29/editorial-the-aba-should-not-amend-model-rule-1-8e/#comment-3456&quot;&gt;Jeffrey Van Detta&lt;/a&gt;.

I do oppose it for all programs. The problems are the same both on the lawyer&#039;s side and on the client&#039;s side. On the client&#039;s side, the risk is that the client will feel he or she is being paid to say things that will improve the chances of the case succeeding. That was very clear in the case I gave in my example, which was of course an extreme case, but I think the same dynamic would be at work here, though less starkly. On the lawyer&#039;s side, the lawyer or law school may not be motivated by money (except of course in fee shifting cases&#8212;do you think law school clinics should be able to give gifts to client in &lt;em&gt;those&lt;/em&gt; cases?), but clinics have agendas and the lawyers&#039; and students&#039; incentives can be distorted by the desire to carry out the agenda in the same way as a private practice lawyer&#039;s incentives can be distorted. This isn&#039;t a criticism of law school clinics&#8212;I&#039;m a proud alumnus of one and think they often do great work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2020/07/29/editorial-the-aba-should-not-amend-model-rule-1-8e/#comment-3456">Jeffrey Van Detta</a>.</p>
<p>I do oppose it for all programs. The problems are the same both on the lawyer&#8217;s side and on the client&#8217;s side. On the client&#8217;s side, the risk is that the client will feel he or she is being paid to say things that will improve the chances of the case succeeding. That was very clear in the case I gave in my example, which was of course an extreme case, but I think the same dynamic would be at work here, though less starkly. On the lawyer&#8217;s side, the lawyer or law school may not be motivated by money (except of course in fee shifting cases&mdash;do you think law school clinics should be able to give gifts to client in <em>those</em> cases?), but clinics have agendas and the lawyers&#8217; and students&#8217; incentives can be distorted by the desire to carry out the agenda in the same way as a private practice lawyer&#8217;s incentives can be distorted. This isn&#8217;t a criticism of law school clinics&mdash;I&#8217;m a proud alumnus of one and think they often do great work.</p>
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		By: Jeffrey Van Detta		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2020/07/29/editorial-the-aba-should-not-amend-model-rule-1-8e/#comment-3456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffrey Van Detta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ted, do you oppose the Rule change for law-school clinical programs, too?  Are all non-profits the same for these purposes in your view?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, do you oppose the Rule change for law-school clinical programs, too?  Are all non-profits the same for these purposes in your view?</p>
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