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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2019/05/06/kuwait-airways-case-an-update-from-germany/#comment-3263&quot;&gt;Lukas&lt;/a&gt;.

And I agree with you that the airline could and maybe should be prohibited from doing business in Germany on Kuwait&#039;s terms. This was the solution in the US when the Department of Transportation brought an administrative proceeding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2019/05/06/kuwait-airways-case-an-update-from-germany/#comment-3263">Lukas</a>.</p>
<p>And I agree with you that the airline could and maybe should be prohibited from doing business in Germany on Kuwait&#8217;s terms. This was the solution in the US when the Department of Transportation brought an administrative proceeding.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2019/05/06/kuwait-airways-case-an-update-from-germany/#comment-3263&quot;&gt;Lukas&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Lukas, for the comment.  It seems to me you are really asking whether the lawsuit would be based on the foreign state&#039;s commercial activity abroad (acting as a common carrier, refusing to sell a ticket) or whether it is instead based on its policymaking at home (enacting a boycott law). This is the &lt;em&gt;Saudi Arabia v. Nelson&lt;/em&gt; issue about the gravamen of an FSIA case. My own view is that foreign states that act commercially generally shouldn&#039;t be able to point to their own policymaking rationales, because (at least in the US) to determine whether an act or omission is commercial, you have to look at its nature, not its purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2019/05/06/kuwait-airways-case-an-update-from-germany/#comment-3263">Lukas</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Lukas, for the comment.  It seems to me you are really asking whether the lawsuit would be based on the foreign state&#8217;s commercial activity abroad (acting as a common carrier, refusing to sell a ticket) or whether it is instead based on its policymaking at home (enacting a boycott law). This is the <em>Saudi Arabia v. Nelson</em> issue about the gravamen of an FSIA case. My own view is that foreign states that act commercially generally shouldn&#8217;t be able to point to their own policymaking rationales, because (at least in the US) to determine whether an act or omission is commercial, you have to look at its nature, not its purpose.</p>
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		By: Lukas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 00:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But the authors are right to say that the Kuwaiti government itself should not be able to point to an legal impossibility it created.&quot;

I do have a question on this matter regarding its relation to the question of state immunity:

If we were to allow compensation for refusal of service on the grounds that the state party is ultimately responsible for the impossibility, would we not break the principle that one country&#039;s courts cannot decide upon the legality of another states&#039; laws? 

The ban of Israelis in Kuwait is not (as far as I understand it) specific to Kuwait Airlines but is enforced for everything (in 2014 there were, apparently, allegations that potatoes from Israel were sold in Kuwait which &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-potatoes-have-kuwaitis-boiling/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;resulted in an investigation&lt;/a&gt;).

It seems to me that expanding the scope of the commercial exception to immunity so far as to apply to the laws of the country in question is not the correct way to solve this problem.

However, if Kuwait cannot be persuaded to stop such boycotts, the obvious decision to me would be to revoke Kuwait Airlines&#039; right to operate in Germany, if it cannot do so in a way that complies with German law. That way, there is no intrusion into Kuwait&#039;s immunity but also no discrimination violation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the authors are right to say that the Kuwaiti government itself should not be able to point to an legal impossibility it created.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do have a question on this matter regarding its relation to the question of state immunity:</p>
<p>If we were to allow compensation for refusal of service on the grounds that the state party is ultimately responsible for the impossibility, would we not break the principle that one country&#8217;s courts cannot decide upon the legality of another states&#8217; laws? </p>
<p>The ban of Israelis in Kuwait is not (as far as I understand it) specific to Kuwait Airlines but is enforced for everything (in 2014 there were, apparently, allegations that potatoes from Israel were sold in Kuwait which <a href="https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-potatoes-have-kuwaitis-boiling/" rel="nofollow ugc">resulted in an investigation</a>).</p>
<p>It seems to me that expanding the scope of the commercial exception to immunity so far as to apply to the laws of the country in question is not the correct way to solve this problem.</p>
<p>However, if Kuwait cannot be persuaded to stop such boycotts, the obvious decision to me would be to revoke Kuwait Airlines&#8217; right to operate in Germany, if it cannot do so in a way that complies with German law. That way, there is no intrusion into Kuwait&#8217;s immunity but also no discrimination violation.</p>
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