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		By: Case of the Day: Dr. Pepper Snapple Group v. Bebidas Purificadas de Tehuacan &#124; Letters Blogatory &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] a comment to my prior post on service of process and the unauthorized practice of law, I pointed out that there&#8217;s no [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a comment to my prior post on service of process and the unauthorized practice of law, I pointed out that there&#8217;s no [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2957</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2956&quot;&gt;Aaron Lukken&lt;/a&gt;.

Welcome back!

The language you cite isn&#039;t from the United States &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.hcch.net/en/instruments/conventions/status-table/notifications/?csid=428&#038;disp=resdn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;declarations&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s from the &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.hcch.net/en/publications-and-studies/details4/?pid=5469&#038;dtid=33&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;United States&#039;s answer&lt;/a&gt; to a 2003 questionnaire sent by the Hague Conference to states.

I don&#039;t think the point you&#039;re making is a bad one: the Practical Handbook criticizes the &lt;em&gt;Greene&lt;/em&gt; decision, 1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 4093 (N.D. Tex. 1998), which takes the view I am suggesting, precisely because if it&#039;s right, then anyone (more or less) can be a competent person. It&#039;s a fair point, and I get that foreign states don&#039;t want Joe Blow signing requests for service. 

But that said, if we really mean it when we say that the law of the forum determines who is competent, and if we agree that the only US law that really bears on the issue is the law about who is competent to serve process, and if we agree that for better or worse, US law is extremely liberal in this area, I don&#039;t see any way around the conclusion that a private process server has just as good a claim to be a competent authority as does a lawyer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2956">Aaron Lukken</a>.</p>
<p>Welcome back!</p>
<p>The language you cite isn&#8217;t from the United States <a href="https://www.hcch.net/en/instruments/conventions/status-table/notifications/?csid=428&amp;disp=resdn" rel="nofollow ugc">declarations</a>. It&#8217;s from the <a href="https://www.hcch.net/en/publications-and-studies/details4/?pid=5469&amp;dtid=33" rel="nofollow ugc">United States&#8217;s answer</a> to a 2003 questionnaire sent by the Hague Conference to states.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the point you&#8217;re making is a bad one: the Practical Handbook criticizes the <em>Greene</em> decision, 1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 4093 (N.D. Tex. 1998), which takes the view I am suggesting, precisely because if it&#8217;s right, then anyone (more or less) can be a competent person. It&#8217;s a fair point, and I get that foreign states don&#8217;t want Joe Blow signing requests for service. </p>
<p>But that said, if we really mean it when we say that the law of the forum determines who is competent, and if we agree that the only US law that really bears on the issue is the law about who is competent to serve process, and if we agree that for better or worse, US law is extremely liberal in this area, I don&#8217;t see any way around the conclusion that a private process server has just as good a claim to be a competent authority as does a lawyer.</p>
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		By: Aaron Lukken		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2956</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Lukken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2953&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

(Just getting back to this after being abroad...)

The US declarations are what designate who can sign-- not the FRCP.  Specifically, &quot;(t)he persons and entities within the United States competent to forward service requests pursuant to Article 3 include any court official, any attorney, or any other person or entity authorized by the rules of the court.&quot;

FRCP is mute as to signing Hague forms, and 4(c)(2) isn&#039;t applicable.  The act of *requesting* service via a foreign authority is not synonymous with *serving*.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2953">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>(Just getting back to this after being abroad&#8230;)</p>
<p>The US declarations are what designate who can sign&#8211; not the FRCP.  Specifically, &#8220;(t)he persons and entities within the United States competent to forward service requests pursuant to Article 3 include any court official, any attorney, or any other person or entity authorized by the rules of the court.&#8221;</p>
<p>FRCP is mute as to signing Hague forms, and 4(c)(2) isn&#8217;t applicable.  The act of *requesting* service via a foreign authority is not synonymous with *serving*.</p>
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		By: China Service of Process Under the Hague Convention and the Unauthorized Practice of Law &#124; Jiangsu Professional Connection		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2017 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] read an excellent post over at the Letters Blogatory blog. The post is entitled Service of Process and the Unauthorized Practice of Law and it is on how service of process companies so often mess this up to the detriment of their [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] read an excellent post over at the Letters Blogatory blog. The post is entitled Service of Process and the Unauthorized Practice of Law and it is on how service of process companies so often mess this up to the detriment of their [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: China Service of Process Under the Hague Convention and the Unauthorized Practice of Law &#124; Fujian Professional Connection		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] read an excellent post over at the Letters Blogatory blog. The post is entitled Service of Process and the Unauthorized Practice of Law and it is on how service of process companies so often mess this up to the detriment of their [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] read an excellent post over at the Letters Blogatory blog. The post is entitled Service of Process and the Unauthorized Practice of Law and it is on how service of process companies so often mess this up to the detriment of their [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2953</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2952&quot;&gt;Aaron Lukken&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t know about that. In federal court, any person other than a party can serve process. The reason why a lawyer, for example, is authorized to sign the request is just that he is authorized under FRCP 4(c)(2)&#8212;just like a process server. There is nothing else in US law, as far as I know, that makes a lawyer a competent person under the law of the forum. 

That said, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good practice for a process server to sign the form, and unless I have experience with a particular central authority and I know it will understand, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good practice for a lawyer to sign. In general, I ask the clerk to do it. That way, the request gets a big official-looking seal, which can help facilitate things in countries that can&#039;t fathom the liberality of US law in this area.

The US &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.hcch.net/en/states/authorities/details3/?aid=279&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;guidance&lt;/a&gt; on this says that &quot;any court official, any attorney, or any other person or entity authorized by the rules of the court&quot; can act as the forwarding authority.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2952">Aaron Lukken</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about that. In federal court, any person other than a party can serve process. The reason why a lawyer, for example, is authorized to sign the request is just that he is authorized under FRCP 4(c)(2)&mdash;just like a process server. There is nothing else in US law, as far as I know, that makes a lawyer a competent person under the law of the forum. </p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s good practice for a process server to sign the form, and unless I have experience with a particular central authority and I know it will understand, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s good practice for a lawyer to sign. In general, I ask the clerk to do it. That way, the request gets a big official-looking seal, which can help facilitate things in countries that can&#8217;t fathom the liberality of US law in this area.</p>
<p>The US <a href="https://www.hcch.net/en/states/authorities/details3/?aid=279" rel="nofollow ugc">guidance</a> on this says that &#8220;any court official, any attorney, or any other person or entity authorized by the rules of the court&#8221; can act as the forwarding authority.</p>
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		By: Aaron Lukken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Lukken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more UPL-esque element to add, Ted...  the assertion by &quot;vendors&quot; that they&#039;re authorized to sign Hague requests.  They&#039;re not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more UPL-esque element to add, Ted&#8230;  the assertion by &#8220;vendors&#8221; that they&#8217;re authorized to sign Hague requests.  They&#8217;re not.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2951</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2950&quot;&gt;Ian Withers&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2017/10/24/service-of-process-and-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/#comment-2950">Ian Withers</a>.</p>
<p>Of course!</p>
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		By: Ian Withers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Withers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[May I repost with consent to www.WAPI.com for the benefit of Members 1200 approx subscribers
With link to your blog

Ian (D. Withers)
Ian@pilimited.com
UK and Ireland]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I repost with consent to <a href="http://www.WAPI.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.WAPI.com</a> for the benefit of Members 1200 approx subscribers<br />
With link to your blog</p>
<p>Ian (D. Withers)<br />
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UK and Ireland</p>
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