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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2016/04/14/case-day-re-frau-r/#comment-2505&quot;&gt;Peter Bert&lt;/a&gt;.

Peter, I accept your charitable amendment to my reading of German law! A more precise statement would have focused on the power to gather documents not in the parties&#039; possession.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2016/04/14/case-day-re-frau-r/#comment-2505">Peter Bert</a>.</p>
<p>Peter, I accept your charitable amendment to my reading of German law! A more precise statement would have focused on the power to gather documents not in the parties&#8217; possession.</p>
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		By: Peter Bert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I first read Ted’s comment, I took issue with the statement that in “Germany, it is the court’s obligation to obtain the relevant evidence”, as it struck me too far-reaching: German procedural law places the burden of offering the evidence on the parties. The duty to establish facts ex officio is an exemption; the most relevant application being in family law matters. On the other hand, the parties can only “offer” evidence, as the German technical term Beweisangebot nicely illustrates. It is for the judges to accept that offer: They control whether witnesses or experts that have been offered will actually be heard, and if so, which ones. Parties are free to introduce documents that they have in their possession into the proceedings, but access to documents they do not have in their possession again is controlled by the Courts, and so is the decision whether to seek judicial assistance, be it with respect to witnesses or documents abroad. So with that in mind, Ted may have overstated things only slightly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first read Ted’s comment, I took issue with the statement that in “Germany, it is the court’s obligation to obtain the relevant evidence”, as it struck me too far-reaching: German procedural law places the burden of offering the evidence on the parties. The duty to establish facts ex officio is an exemption; the most relevant application being in family law matters. On the other hand, the parties can only “offer” evidence, as the German technical term Beweisangebot nicely illustrates. It is for the judges to accept that offer: They control whether witnesses or experts that have been offered will actually be heard, and if so, which ones. Parties are free to introduce documents that they have in their possession into the proceedings, but access to documents they do not have in their possession again is controlled by the Courts, and so is the decision whether to seek judicial assistance, be it with respect to witnesses or documents abroad. So with that in mind, Ted may have overstated things only slightly.</p>
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