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	Comments on: The Working Group on Arbitrary Detention and the Julian Assange Case	</title>
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		By: Ecuador Withdraws Asylum, Assange Arrested &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ecuador Withdraws Asylum, Assange Arrested &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] supporters and their detractors. My favorite bit of derangement among Assange supporters is the bizarre claim, made by people who should know better, that he has been detained in the Ecuadoran embassy all [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] supporters and their detractors. My favorite bit of derangement among Assange supporters is the bizarre claim, made by people who should know better, that he has been detained in the Ecuadoran embassy all [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Peter Lynn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Lynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2016/02/08/the-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention-and-the-julian-assange-case/#comment-2472&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think we are far apart on this, and I&#039;m not sure how much sympathy I have with Assange, who has after all, put himself in this position. But I do think the charges against him in Sweden look a bit flaky, and I don&#039;t think the UK government would normally be spending £millions each year guarding the embassy on the basis of these allegations alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2016/02/08/the-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention-and-the-julian-assange-case/#comment-2472">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are far apart on this, and I&#8217;m not sure how much sympathy I have with Assange, who has after all, put himself in this position. But I do think the charges against him in Sweden look a bit flaky, and I don&#8217;t think the UK government would normally be spending £millions each year guarding the embassy on the basis of these allegations alone.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2016/02/08/the-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention-and-the-julian-assange-case/#comment-2471&quot;&gt;Peter Lynn&lt;/a&gt;.

Peter, thanks for the comment. I don&#039;t think my reaction is unusual: folks who know much more about this area of law than I do (e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ejiltalk.org/julian-assange-and-the-un-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Matthew Happold&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/julianku/status/695591155468206080&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Julian Ku&lt;/a&gt;) are also critical, though &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ejiltalk.org/the-united-nations-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention-decision-on-assange-ridiculous-or-justifiable/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Liora Lazarus&lt;/a&gt; is more sympathetic to the opinion.

I think Mr. Assange&#039;s fears are probably fantasies, and certainly his fears about torture, waterboarding, etc. I personally question whether the United States will ever charge him with a crime. But in any event, I don&#039;t know why we should dismiss or discount the Swedish rape charge, nor do I think we can expect Sweden to make the kind of commitments Assange says he wants in advance of any request for extradition or even any indictment from the United States. It takes a special kind of chutzpah for someone who skipped bail after having the full measure of due process in England and then holed himself up in a foreign embassy to be making demands, but you may feel differently.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2016/02/08/the-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention-and-the-julian-assange-case/#comment-2471">Peter Lynn</a>.</p>
<p>Peter, thanks for the comment. I don&#8217;t think my reaction is unusual: folks who know much more about this area of law than I do (e.g., <a href="http://www.ejiltalk.org/julian-assange-and-the-un-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention/" rel="nofollow ugc">Matthew Happold</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/julianku/status/695591155468206080" rel="nofollow ugc">Julian Ku</a>) are also critical, though <a href="http://www.ejiltalk.org/the-united-nations-working-group-on-arbitrary-detention-decision-on-assange-ridiculous-or-justifiable/" rel="nofollow ugc">Liora Lazarus</a> is more sympathetic to the opinion.</p>
<p>I think Mr. Assange&#8217;s fears are probably fantasies, and certainly his fears about torture, waterboarding, etc. I personally question whether the United States will ever charge him with a crime. But in any event, I don&#8217;t know why we should dismiss or discount the Swedish rape charge, nor do I think we can expect Sweden to make the kind of commitments Assange says he wants in advance of any request for extradition or even any indictment from the United States. It takes a special kind of chutzpah for someone who skipped bail after having the full measure of due process in England and then holed himself up in a foreign embassy to be making demands, but you may feel differently.</p>
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		By: Peter Lynn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Lynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Normally it is your reviews on Lago Agrio that interest me, but this case is also interesting, particularly as an English person whose taxes are being used to guard Ecuadors embassy in case he tries to leave. I&#039;m sure no one suspected when he walked into their embassy all that time ago, that he would still be there now, least of all Mr Assange.

When I heard on the news that the UN had found Julian Assange to have been &#039;arbitrarily imprisoned&#039;, whatever that means, I was a bit surprised, for the same reasons you cite. I had thought that you may be able to cast some light as to how they arrived at that decision, and it&#039;s maybe strangely reassuring that you are also bemused by it.

That said, in the underlying case I think Mr Assange has a point. He claims to be in fear that if he allows himself to be extradited to Sweden, that he will quickly find himself in the states on charges relating to wikileaks. I think he is correct. The charges against him in Sweden look a bit suspect, and I think they are a means to an end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally it is your reviews on Lago Agrio that interest me, but this case is also interesting, particularly as an English person whose taxes are being used to guard Ecuadors embassy in case he tries to leave. I&#8217;m sure no one suspected when he walked into their embassy all that time ago, that he would still be there now, least of all Mr Assange.</p>
<p>When I heard on the news that the UN had found Julian Assange to have been &#8216;arbitrarily imprisoned&#8217;, whatever that means, I was a bit surprised, for the same reasons you cite. I had thought that you may be able to cast some light as to how they arrived at that decision, and it&#8217;s maybe strangely reassuring that you are also bemused by it.</p>
<p>That said, in the underlying case I think Mr Assange has a point. He claims to be in fear that if he allows himself to be extradited to Sweden, that he will quickly find himself in the states on charges relating to wikileaks. I think he is correct. The charges against him in Sweden look a bit suspect, and I think they are a means to an end.</p>
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