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		By: Case of the Day: Hernández v. Mesa &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Case of the Day: Hernández v. Mesa &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] way of thinking. Can I stretch a bit and compare my thought on this to what I&#8217;ve written previously about the leap second? As you probably know, a second, traditionally, was defined as 1/86,400 of a day (there are 24 [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] way of thinking. Can I stretch a bit and compare my thought on this to what I&#8217;ve written previously about the leap second? As you probably know, a second, traditionally, was defined as 1/86,400 of a day (there are 24 [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Letters Blogatory&#039;s Annual Appeal For Nominations &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] the fabulous Spanish language spin-off blog, Cartas Blogatorias, or frolics and detours like my editorial in favor of the leap second or my annual April Fool&#8217;s post, please take a minute and nominate [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the fabulous Spanish language spin-off blog, Cartas Blogatorias, or frolics and detours like my editorial in favor of the leap second or my annual April Fool&#8217;s post, please take a minute and nominate [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Don&#039;t Forget To Set Your Clocks Ahead Tonight! &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2127</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don&#039;t Forget To Set Your Clocks Ahead Tonight! &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] See here for details. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See here for details. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Rob Seaman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2126</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Seaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2125&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Ted.  Yes, that would be my understanding.  It might also be worth pointing out that redefining UTC would not improve access to unsegmented timescales (that is, without leaps) since projects and systems can already use TAI, GPS and related timescales.  Rather, all it would accomplish is to eliminate straightforward access to mean solar time.  As a result confusion would increase, not decrease.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2125">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Ted.  Yes, that would be my understanding.  It might also be worth pointing out that redefining UTC would not improve access to unsegmented timescales (that is, without leaps) since projects and systems can already use TAI, GPS and related timescales.  Rather, all it would accomplish is to eliminate straightforward access to mean solar time.  As a result confusion would increase, not decrease.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2124&quot;&gt;Rob Seaman&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Rob. Does this suggest that eliminating the leap second is just trading one set of technical problems (software that cannot handle discontinuities, for example) for another (software that assumes that UTC approximates UT)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2124">Rob Seaman</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Rob. Does this suggest that eliminating the leap second is just trading one set of technical problems (software that cannot handle discontinuities, for example) for another (software that assumes that UTC approximates UT)?</p>
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		By: Rob Seaman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Seaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2123&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

For example, astronomers and astronautical engineers have made the natural assumption throughout their software and systems that Coordinated Universal Time is indeed a flavor of Universal Time, that is, an approximation to Greenwich Mean Time.  If UTC is redefined to no longer reflect Earth orientation then a lot of our software will break.  The software is not at fault, the naive standards process is.

Also see: http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/futureofutc/aas223/presentations/2-1-ISOterminologyAAS.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2123">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>For example, astronomers and astronautical engineers have made the natural assumption throughout their software and systems that Coordinated Universal Time is indeed a flavor of Universal Time, that is, an approximation to Greenwich Mean Time.  If UTC is redefined to no longer reflect Earth orientation then a lot of our software will break.  The software is not at fault, the naive standards process is.</p>
<p>Also see: <a href="http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/futureofutc/aas223/presentations/2-1-ISOterminologyAAS.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/futureofutc/aas223/presentations/2-1-ISOterminologyAAS.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 01:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2122&quot;&gt;Nero Imhard&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Nero, for the comment! I am not an expert (as should be apparent) and am not sure I understand why what you say is so. Can you explain?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2122">Nero Imhard</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Nero, for the comment! I am not an expert (as should be apparent) and am not sure I understand why what you say is so. Can you explain?</p>
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		By: Nero Imhard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nero Imhard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps even more importantly, there&#039;s an element of betrayal in fundamentaly changing an existing definition. It breaks your ability to meaningfully choose the right time scale for your purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps even more importantly, there&#8217;s an element of betrayal in fundamentaly changing an existing definition. It breaks your ability to meaningfully choose the right time scale for your purpose.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In response to a comment on the LEAPSECS mailing list, where real experts discuss these things and where there seems to be some consternation that a &lt;em&gt;lawyer&lt;/em&gt; would jump into the conversation, I&#039;ve tried to clarify what I think it would mean for people who need really precise measurements of time to use TAI. I don&#039;t mean to suggest that TAI should be redefined or that UTC should be redefined. I just mean that those who need a timescale that doesn&#039;t contain leap seconds could use TAI for their own purposes, but that UTC would continue as it is now and that UTC would be the official civil time.

&quot;But it&#039;s crazy to say that the internet and navigation systems should use their own non-official time!&quot; Maybe, but not crazier in my view than defining official time in a way that lets it drift away from solar time. And anyway, the people who write the software and hardware that has trouble with leap seconds have it in their power to avoid the result if they want by fixing the software or hardware problems that make leap seconds difficult to deal with.

By the way, if you want to see the LEAPSECS list discussion, it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://pairlist6.pair.net/pipermail/leapsecs/2015-March/thread.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. My favorite comment: &quot;Yeah, he&#039;s entitled to his opinion, just like everybody else, but he doesn&#039;t have any special standing for his opinion, which as others have pointed out, interfaces badly with reality.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to a comment on the LEAPSECS mailing list, where real experts discuss these things and where there seems to be some consternation that a <em>lawyer</em> would jump into the conversation, I&#8217;ve tried to clarify what I think it would mean for people who need really precise measurements of time to use TAI. I don&#8217;t mean to suggest that TAI should be redefined or that UTC should be redefined. I just mean that those who need a timescale that doesn&#8217;t contain leap seconds could use TAI for their own purposes, but that UTC would continue as it is now and that UTC would be the official civil time.</p>
<p>&#8220;But it&#8217;s crazy to say that the internet and navigation systems should use their own non-official time!&#8221; Maybe, but not crazier in my view than defining official time in a way that lets it drift away from solar time. And anyway, the people who write the software and hardware that has trouble with leap seconds have it in their power to avoid the result if they want by fixing the software or hardware problems that make leap seconds difficult to deal with.</p>
<p>By the way, if you want to see the LEAPSECS list discussion, it&#8217;s <a href="https://pairlist6.pair.net/pipermail/leapsecs/2015-March/thread.html" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a>. My favorite comment: &#8220;Yeah, he&#8217;s entitled to his opinion, just like everybody else, but he doesn&#8217;t have any special standing for his opinion, which as others have pointed out, interfaces badly with reality.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2120</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 17:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2117&quot;&gt;Steve Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Steve, for the comment. I have attended meetings of technical delegations from national governments in my own field as an invited observer, and I agree with you that there&#039;s little plain talk, let alone poetry, at such gatherings. But time is one of the subjects that calls for plain talk and maybe even some poetry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#comment-2117">Steve Allen</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Steve, for the comment. I have attended meetings of technical delegations from national governments in my own field as an invited observer, and I agree with you that there&#8217;s little plain talk, let alone poetry, at such gatherings. But time is one of the subjects that calls for plain talk and maybe even some poetry.</p>
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