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		By: Chris Bray		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2108</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2107&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed!]]></description>
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<p>Agreed!</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2105&quot;&gt;Chris Bray&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Chris. I think this gets us back to one of the themes of debate from the main case: the distinction, if there is one, between &lt;em&gt;illegal&lt;/em&gt; subpoenas and &lt;em&gt;stupid&lt;/em&gt; subpoenas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2105">Chris Bray</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Chris. I think this gets us back to one of the themes of debate from the main case: the distinction, if there is one, between <em>illegal</em> subpoenas and <em>stupid</em> subpoenas.</p>
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		By: Chris Bray		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2106</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Bray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An update: I&#039;m told that the Court of Appeal in Belfast has granted an injunction to prevent the PSNI from taking possession of the tapes, pending its consideration of the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update: I&#8217;m told that the Court of Appeal in Belfast has granted an injunction to prevent the PSNI from taking possession of the tapes, pending its consideration of the case.</p>
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		By: Chris Bray		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Bray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2104&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

This is not an ordinary criminal case -- they&#039;re reaching back forty years into actions covered by the Belfast Agreement, and crimes that have a plainly political flavor. One of the accusations outlined to Rea, which you&#039;ve quoted in your post above, is that he met with Prime Minister John Major to negotiate a peace in Northern Ireland, which proves that he had the standing to speak for an illegal paramilitary organization. 

So one of the foundations of their accusations is that he negotiated for peace. This is not a gas station robber -- he&#039;s a political leader. Using his interviews to get at other people is an attempt to open a door to political organizations, and a repudiation of the agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland. There should be a higher standard, here, than for a routine criminal investigation. 

The PSNI and DOJ pursued interview materials regarding the murder of Jean McConville for four difficult years, and the result is that they&#039;ve charged a tangential figure for aiding and abetting, with no charges brought against anyone purported to have actually kidnapped or killed Jean McConville. The police in NI are pulling at the foundations of the peace process to dredge up chickenshit. The proven outcomes of this investigative process aren&#039;t worth the effort and the costs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2104">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>This is not an ordinary criminal case &#8212; they&#8217;re reaching back forty years into actions covered by the Belfast Agreement, and crimes that have a plainly political flavor. One of the accusations outlined to Rea, which you&#8217;ve quoted in your post above, is that he met with Prime Minister John Major to negotiate a peace in Northern Ireland, which proves that he had the standing to speak for an illegal paramilitary organization. </p>
<p>So one of the foundations of their accusations is that he negotiated for peace. This is not a gas station robber &#8212; he&#8217;s a political leader. Using his interviews to get at other people is an attempt to open a door to political organizations, and a repudiation of the agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland. There should be a higher standard, here, than for a routine criminal investigation. </p>
<p>The PSNI and DOJ pursued interview materials regarding the murder of Jean McConville for four difficult years, and the result is that they&#8217;ve charged a tangential figure for aiding and abetting, with no charges brought against anyone purported to have actually kidnapped or killed Jean McConville. The police in NI are pulling at the foundations of the peace process to dredge up chickenshit. The proven outcomes of this investigative process aren&#8217;t worth the effort and the costs.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2104</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2103&quot;&gt;Chris Bray&lt;/a&gt;.

Why? In an ordinary criminal case grand juries hear testimony all the time from witnesses not themselves accused of crime. Or they subpoena documents from such third parties.]]></description>
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<p>Why? In an ordinary criminal case grand juries hear testimony all the time from witnesses not themselves accused of crime. Or they subpoena documents from such third parties.</p>
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		By: Chris Bray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Bray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31171938&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this BBC story&lt;/a&gt; for a hint about what the PSNI wants from the tapes:

&lt;strong&gt;A barrister representing the chief constable...contended that if crimes had been committed, police have a statutory obligation to investigate.

&quot;There are obvious reasonable grounds for suspecting offences have been committed,&quot; he said.

&quot;Whether or not the applicant is the individual who has committed those, it&#039;s quite clear the police have active lines of inquiry in respect of murder, attempted murder and robbery.&quot;

He said the PSNI is seeking to advance inquiries into serious crime spanning three decades up to the late 1990s.

&quot;Regardless of who committed these offences there are victims, there are those bereaved, and some of them have written to the court expressing an interest in the issue,&quot; he added.&lt;/strong&gt;

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So the PSNI is obtaining Winston Rea&#039;s interview material in order to investigate murders and robberies not committed by Winston Rea. &quot;Whether or not the applicant is the individual who has committed those.&quot; &quot;Regardless of who committed these offences.&quot; 

I can&#039;t imagine a way to not see this as a cheap and shoddy fishing expedition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31171938" rel="nofollow ugc">this BBC story</a> for a hint about what the PSNI wants from the tapes:</p>
<p><strong>A barrister representing the chief constable&#8230;contended that if crimes had been committed, police have a statutory obligation to investigate.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are obvious reasonable grounds for suspecting offences have been committed,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whether or not the applicant is the individual who has committed those, it&#8217;s quite clear the police have active lines of inquiry in respect of murder, attempted murder and robbery.&#8221;</p>
<p>He said the PSNI is seeking to advance inquiries into serious crime spanning three decades up to the late 1990s.</p>
<p>&#8220;Regardless of who committed these offences there are victims, there are those bereaved, and some of them have written to the court expressing an interest in the issue,&#8221; he added.</strong></p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>So the PSNI is obtaining Winston Rea&#8217;s interview material in order to investigate murders and robberies not committed by Winston Rea. &#8220;Whether or not the applicant is the individual who has committed those.&#8221; &#8220;Regardless of who committed these offences.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine a way to not see this as a cheap and shoddy fishing expedition.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2101&quot;&gt;MAM&lt;/a&gt;.

MAM, thanks for the comment! I think the answer is: &quot;it depends.&quot; If the PSNI has already picked up the tapes, then any challenge in the 
United States would be moot. If not, I suppose Rae could seek to enjoin the Department of Justice from turning them over, but the chances of success would be very low in light of the outcome of the main case. 

I suppose that if the tapes are now in the possession of someone in Washington rather than someone in Boston, Rae could seek relief in the District of Columbia and hope that the court there gives a different answer than did the court in Boston. Massachusetts and the District of Columbia are in different judicial circuits, so the First Circuit&#039;s decision does not formally bind the DC court (though of course it is persuasive as a precedent).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/02/10/belfast-project-rea-challenge-fails/#comment-2101">MAM</a>.</p>
<p>MAM, thanks for the comment! I think the answer is: &#8220;it depends.&#8221; If the PSNI has already picked up the tapes, then any challenge in the<br />
United States would be moot. If not, I suppose Rae could seek to enjoin the Department of Justice from turning them over, but the chances of success would be very low in light of the outcome of the main case. </p>
<p>I suppose that if the tapes are now in the possession of someone in Washington rather than someone in Boston, Rae could seek relief in the District of Columbia and hope that the court there gives a different answer than did the court in Boston. Massachusetts and the District of Columbia are in different judicial circuits, so the First Circuit&#8217;s decision does not formally bind the DC court (though of course it is persuasive as a precedent).</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good Morning Ted,

I appreciate your continued objectivity in keeping us informed on this issue.    As always, with any new developments in this case there seems to be more questions than answers.   Mainly I wonder if Mr. Rea could seek a judicial review here in the US or is this the end of it and his tapes will now be released to the PSNI/PPS?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning Ted,</p>
<p>I appreciate your continued objectivity in keeping us informed on this issue.    As always, with any new developments in this case there seems to be more questions than answers.   Mainly I wonder if Mr. Rea could seek a judicial review here in the US or is this the end of it and his tapes will now be released to the PSNI/PPS?</p>
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