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		By: Lago Agrio: Oral Argument At The Second Circuit (And A Special Letters Blogatory Backgrounder) &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: Oral Argument At The Second Circuit (And A Special Letters Blogatory Backgrounder) &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] bravely or foolishly, I made a prediction about what the Second Circuit would do after the briefing was finished. I still think my prediction [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] bravely or foolishly, I made a prediction about what the Second Circuit would do after the briefing was finished. I still think my prediction [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/11/24/lago-agrio-prediction/#comment-2060</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/11/24/lago-agrio-prediction/#comment-2059&quot;&gt;George Humphrey&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the bold prediction, George! We will see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/11/24/lago-agrio-prediction/#comment-2059">George Humphrey</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the bold prediction, George! We will see.</p>
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		By: George Humphrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stumbled across your blog and have found it interesting to say the least. Kaplans finding of facts are damning and I just don&#039;t see the court overturning his findings. The overwhelming volume of evidence of Donzigers misconduct has not only shocked this court but other Federal Courts around the country. Don&#039;t underestimate that once a story is told and the fraud is shown to be pervasive, then all the parties who benefited from this type of conduct receive the broad brush. I believe the courts will frame a decision to protect Chevron, who they will perceive as the defrauded party, from this judgement. How they will  go about it will be the interesting question,  but they will frame it in such a way to preserve the findings and hold Donziger accountable.

As for the the Ecuadorean judge Zambrano who supposedly wrote the decision. His credibility was absolutely shredded. For the case of his lifetime, he could not even quote the most basic of facts attributed to his decision made his testimony a disaster. That does not preclude the other jurist did not lie. But in weighing both testimonies, you have to point to the overwhelming conduct of Donziger and then question which testimony has the best chance of being credible. And its an easy conclusion here. Ghost written expert  reports and a judge who cannot even explain the most mundane of details quoted in his landmark decision. So I disagree with you on this point. The only matter here is do you believe Zambrano wrote the decision and that he was not improperly influenced by Donziger. For me the facts are beyond just compelling. They are fairly conclusive for me.

The courts will not over look Donzigers misconduct and all of those other American firms who associated with him in perpetrating this fraud. They&#039;ll affirm the decision and probably retain RICO. Or they will  remand and give the judge a hint as to how they want it framed to maintain the gist of his decision,  which  is Donziger and his clients will not be able to collect on this judgement in the United States.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled across your blog and have found it interesting to say the least. Kaplans finding of facts are damning and I just don&#8217;t see the court overturning his findings. The overwhelming volume of evidence of Donzigers misconduct has not only shocked this court but other Federal Courts around the country. Don&#8217;t underestimate that once a story is told and the fraud is shown to be pervasive, then all the parties who benefited from this type of conduct receive the broad brush. I believe the courts will frame a decision to protect Chevron, who they will perceive as the defrauded party, from this judgement. How they will  go about it will be the interesting question,  but they will frame it in such a way to preserve the findings and hold Donziger accountable.</p>
<p>As for the the Ecuadorean judge Zambrano who supposedly wrote the decision. His credibility was absolutely shredded. For the case of his lifetime, he could not even quote the most basic of facts attributed to his decision made his testimony a disaster. That does not preclude the other jurist did not lie. But in weighing both testimonies, you have to point to the overwhelming conduct of Donziger and then question which testimony has the best chance of being credible. And its an easy conclusion here. Ghost written expert  reports and a judge who cannot even explain the most mundane of details quoted in his landmark decision. So I disagree with you on this point. The only matter here is do you believe Zambrano wrote the decision and that he was not improperly influenced by Donziger. For me the facts are beyond just compelling. They are fairly conclusive for me.</p>
<p>The courts will not over look Donzigers misconduct and all of those other American firms who associated with him in perpetrating this fraud. They&#8217;ll affirm the decision and probably retain RICO. Or they will  remand and give the judge a hint as to how they want it framed to maintain the gist of his decision,  which  is Donziger and his clients will not be able to collect on this judgement in the United States.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/11/24/lago-agrio-prediction/#comment-2058</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/11/24/lago-agrio-prediction/#comment-2057&quot;&gt;doug cassel&lt;/a&gt;.

Take a chance, Doug! This exercise is, as they say, for entertainment value only, and don&#039;t think anyone will hold you to your prediction. 

I&#039;ve done this once before: I correctly predicted the outcome of the other major litigation I&#039;ve followed closely, the &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/tag/belfast-project/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Boston College case&lt;/a&gt; here in Massachusetts, though that was a much simpler and, to my mind anyway, easier case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/11/24/lago-agrio-prediction/#comment-2057">doug cassel</a>.</p>
<p>Take a chance, Doug! This exercise is, as they say, for entertainment value only, and don&#8217;t think anyone will hold you to your prediction. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done this once before: I correctly predicted the outcome of the other major litigation I&#8217;ve followed closely, the <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/tag/belfast-project/" rel="nofollow ugc">Boston College case</a> here in Massachusetts, though that was a much simpler and, to my mind anyway, easier case.</p>
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		By: doug cassel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Ted,

Interesting speculation.  My own experience in decades of litigation, domestic and international, vindicates the wisdom of Yogi Berra, who reportedly advised, &quot;Making predictions is hard, especially about the future.&quot; So, for my part, I will refrain from predicting the Second Circuit decision until it is past.

That said, you seem to buy the argument that the Ecuadorian appellate courts were untainted by the lower court ruling.  I don&#039;t. Not for a second.  On that point, if you have not read the amicus brief filed by Keith Rosenn et al., I commend it to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ted,</p>
<p>Interesting speculation.  My own experience in decades of litigation, domestic and international, vindicates the wisdom of Yogi Berra, who reportedly advised, &#8220;Making predictions is hard, especially about the future.&#8221; So, for my part, I will refrain from predicting the Second Circuit decision until it is past.</p>
<p>That said, you seem to buy the argument that the Ecuadorian appellate courts were untainted by the lower court ruling.  I don&#8217;t. Not for a second.  On that point, if you have not read the amicus brief filed by Keith Rosenn et al., I commend it to you.</p>
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