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	Comments on: Book Review: Michael Goldhaber&#8217;s Crude Awakening: Chevron In Ecuador	</title>
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		By: Lago Agrio: More on the Ontario Hearing &#124; Letters Blogatory &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: More on the Ontario Hearing &#124; Letters Blogatory &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] have been for the Ecuadoran appellate courts to remedy. That argument is persuasive for reasons I&#8217;ve given from time to time, but it wasn&#8217;t persuasive in New York. So buckle up; we have a ways to go [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] have been for the Ecuadoran appellate courts to remedy. That argument is persuasive for reasons I&#8217;ve given from time to time, but it wasn&#8217;t persuasive in New York. So buckle up; we have a ways to go [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Oral Argument at the Second Circuit in Chevron v. Donziger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oral Argument at the Second Circuit in Chevron v. Donziger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2015 15:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Thurgood Marshall courthouse in Foley Square. Many famililiar faces were in the crowd. I sat with Michael Goldhaber and Judith Kimerling. Because I was sitting with Michael, I couldn&#8217;t possibly sit with the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Thurgood Marshall courthouse in Foley Square. Many famililiar faces were in the crowd. I sat with Michael Goldhaber and Judith Kimerling. Because I was sitting with Michael, I couldn&#8217;t possibly sit with the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: George Humphrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Humphrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2030&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

LMAO. Yup I do have the bug on this case. Read &quot;Law of the Jungle&quot; then &quot;Crude Awakening&quot;. This after reading the Kaplan decisions and a lot of the court filings. Goldhaber&#039;s e-book is a must read. He is that rare writer / attorney who understands facts and science can be presented in a compelling narrative . A very rare gift he uses in his book to highlight the differences between being a competent attorney and a incompetent narcissist (Donziger). Devastating book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2030">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>LMAO. Yup I do have the bug on this case. Read &#8220;Law of the Jungle&#8221; then &#8220;Crude Awakening&#8221;. This after reading the Kaplan decisions and a lot of the court filings. Goldhaber&#8217;s e-book is a must read. He is that rare writer / attorney who understands facts and science can be presented in a compelling narrative . A very rare gift he uses in his book to highlight the differences between being a competent attorney and a incompetent narcissist (Donziger). Devastating book.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2030</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2029&quot;&gt;George Humphrey&lt;/a&gt;.

George, glad to see you&#039;ve got the bug!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2029">George Humphrey</a>.</p>
<p>George, glad to see you&#8217;ve got the bug!</p>
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		By: George Humphrey		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Humphrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really liked your blog. But I disagree in part with both you and Goldhaber. The assumption is there is a zero sum game here. You both are correct in your positions but you both take it to far. I do not believe the Ecuadorian judicial system has to be proven to be corrupt nor that you can overlook the pervasive fraud that took place in the trial.

The Kaplan decision was not an extension of the Ecuadorean case. Its a separate matter involving the conduct of American lawyers and consulting firms who engaged in a conduct aimed to defraud an American company. On that basis alone the court does not have to get into the ramifications of the judgement in Ecuador. This court has every right to determine on its own the conduct of American firms and lawyers under the rules of evidence and jurisdiction of an American court whether a judgement can be enforced in this country. Its really that simple. I believe we can over think issues sometimes. The 2nd Circuit jurisdiction ends at our borders and they will approach it strictly as an American decision as to collection of a judgement in this country. I believe they will affirm Kaplan&#039;s decision. 

For setting any type of precedent you can cite in the future, this case is quite frankly a dog. PR braying aside, no one should take away any lesson from it other then if your an attorney; don&#039;t lie, cheat or bribe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked your blog. But I disagree in part with both you and Goldhaber. The assumption is there is a zero sum game here. You both are correct in your positions but you both take it to far. I do not believe the Ecuadorian judicial system has to be proven to be corrupt nor that you can overlook the pervasive fraud that took place in the trial.</p>
<p>The Kaplan decision was not an extension of the Ecuadorean case. Its a separate matter involving the conduct of American lawyers and consulting firms who engaged in a conduct aimed to defraud an American company. On that basis alone the court does not have to get into the ramifications of the judgement in Ecuador. This court has every right to determine on its own the conduct of American firms and lawyers under the rules of evidence and jurisdiction of an American court whether a judgement can be enforced in this country. Its really that simple. I believe we can over think issues sometimes. The 2nd Circuit jurisdiction ends at our borders and they will approach it strictly as an American decision as to collection of a judgement in this country. I believe they will affirm Kaplan&#8217;s decision. </p>
<p>For setting any type of precedent you can cite in the future, this case is quite frankly a dog. PR braying aside, no one should take away any lesson from it other then if your an attorney; don&#8217;t lie, cheat or bribe.</p>
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		By: Lago Agrio: Donziger&#039;s Reply Brief &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: Donziger&#039;s Reply Brief &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] this with the point I made in my review of the Goldhaber book: &#8220;So the theory really is that the Ecuadoran courts as a whole simply fail to provide [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] this with the point I made in my review of the Goldhaber book: &#8220;So the theory really is that the Ecuadoran courts as a whole simply fail to provide [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Lago Agrio: Ecuador&#039;s Latest Brief In The BIT Arbitration &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: Ecuador&#039;s Latest Brief In The BIT Arbitration &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] A few weeks ago, Ecuador filed its Track 2 Supplemental Counter-Memorial in the BIT arbitration against Chevron. The brief covers some interesting ground. I want to draw attention to two points in particular.  First, the Republic has really gone on the offensive on the merits of the underlying environmental issues. The results of the Louis Berger Group environmental testing, which as far as I know no one has claimed to be corrupt, give us reason to agree with a point Michael Goldhaber made in his recent book, and which I recounted in my review: [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A few weeks ago, Ecuador filed its Track 2 Supplemental Counter-Memorial in the BIT arbitration against Chevron. The brief covers some interesting ground. I want to draw attention to two points in particular.  First, the Republic has really gone on the offensive on the merits of the underlying environmental issues. The results of the Louis Berger Group environmental testing, which as far as I know no one has claimed to be corrupt, give us reason to agree with a point Michael Goldhaber made in his recent book, and which I recounted in my review: [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Book Review: Paul Barrett&#039;s Law of the Jungle		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2014/09/24/book-review-michael-goldhabers-crude-awakening/#comment-2026</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Book Review: Paul Barrett&#039;s Law of the Jungle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] book is not the only one: Michael Goldhaber&#8217;s Crude Awakening has just been published, too (Here&#8217;s my review). I coulda been a contender! When we spoke, Barrett told me he has already been talking with a [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] book is not the only one: Michael Goldhaber&#8217;s Crude Awakening has just been published, too (Here&#8217;s my review). I coulda been a contender! When we spoke, Barrett told me he has already been talking with a [&#8230;]</p>
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