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		By: Lago Agrio: Doug Cassel on the New Ecuadoran Judgment &#124; Letters Blogatory &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: Doug Cassel on the New Ecuadoran Judgment &#124; Letters Blogatory &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2018 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] a post, Ted Folkman notes that, because Álvarez Grau is a political opponent of Correa, the objectivity [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a post, Ted Folkman notes that, because Álvarez Grau is a political opponent of Correa, the objectivity [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Lago Agrio: What About The Ghostwriting? &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: What About The Ghostwriting? &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Against this evidence&#8212;equivocal, in my mind&#8212;let&#8217;s consider Judge Zambrano&#8217;s testimony and some documentary evidence. On the one hand, Judge Zambrano&#8217;s testimony is inherently more credible than Judge Guerra&#8217;s, insofar as there is no liar&#8217;s paradox involved. On the other hand, Judge Zambrano, too, had real credibility problems, which I&#8217;ve noted above and in a prior post. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Against this evidence&mdash;equivocal, in my mind&mdash;let&#8217;s consider Judge Zambrano&#8217;s testimony and some documentary evidence. On the one hand, Judge Zambrano&#8217;s testimony is inherently more credible than Judge Guerra&#8217;s, insofar as there is no liar&#8217;s paradox involved. On the other hand, Judge Zambrano, too, had real credibility problems, which I&#8217;ve noted above and in a prior post. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Lago Agrio: My Interview with Ambassador Cely &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lago Agrio: My Interview with Ambassador Cely &#124; Letters Blogatory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] She suggested that critics such as &#193;lvarez Grau, whose declaration we reviewed in a prior post, are really expressing the resentment of the groups that no longer are in power. After the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] She suggested that critics such as &Aacute;lvarez Grau, whose declaration we reviewed in a prior post, are really expressing the resentment of the groups that no longer are in power. After the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/11/14/lago-agrio-new-york-update/#comment-1575&quot;&gt;John JA Burke&lt;/a&gt;.

John, I find your comment somewhat confusing for a few reasons. First, nothing in the post or my earlier comment discusses cassation versus appeal. Second, I think that &#193;lvarez may be a law professor, but I am pretty critical of his declaration. Third, I think it&#039;s not really possible to characterize this post as pro-Chevron. Is it possible you meant to respond to a different post, perhaps Doug Cassel&#039;s post, which is highly critical of the Ecuadoran courts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/11/14/lago-agrio-new-york-update/#comment-1575">John JA Burke</a>.</p>
<p>John, I find your comment somewhat confusing for a few reasons. First, nothing in the post or my earlier comment discusses cassation versus appeal. Second, I think that &Aacute;lvarez may be a law professor, but I am pretty critical of his declaration. Third, I think it&#8217;s not really possible to characterize this post as pro-Chevron. Is it possible you meant to respond to a different post, perhaps Doug Cassel&#8217;s post, which is highly critical of the Ecuadoran courts?</p>
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		By: John JA Burke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John JA Burke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have followed this matter with interest, but not at your depth. Nevertheless, I find that many of your remarks are sweeping generalisations difficult to make about a foreign legal and judicial system. You also make a distinction between a court of appeal and a cour de cassation, implying that a court of appeal generally reviews findings of fact and takes new evidence. As a former appellate attorney, I find the distinction overly broad. It is rare, if ever, that a court of appeal permits the introduction of new evidence or reviews findings of fact by a lower court, unless the court sits de novo, or there is absolute abuse of the fact finding process. Courts of appeal review law not facts.

I live and work in Kazakhstan, an extremely corrupt country, including a non-independent judiciary, according to external observers such as Transparency International. However, I could never state that the entire judiciary is corrupt or that decisions are entirely controlled by the Executive or other authority. It is too difficult to get the evidence. In your review, you refer to some professor, implying that he is above reproach. Without knowing more, this refernce is a form of a fallacy to &quot;authority&quot;, perhaps appropriate or not.

You may be right. However, I believe it is difficult to support all your statements, given their breadth and the challenges posed by making statements about a foreign legal system, though you may have reason to think the process is politically driven.

If I may ask, why are you so pro-Chevron?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have followed this matter with interest, but not at your depth. Nevertheless, I find that many of your remarks are sweeping generalisations difficult to make about a foreign legal and judicial system. You also make a distinction between a court of appeal and a cour de cassation, implying that a court of appeal generally reviews findings of fact and takes new evidence. As a former appellate attorney, I find the distinction overly broad. It is rare, if ever, that a court of appeal permits the introduction of new evidence or reviews findings of fact by a lower court, unless the court sits de novo, or there is absolute abuse of the fact finding process. Courts of appeal review law not facts.</p>
<p>I live and work in Kazakhstan, an extremely corrupt country, including a non-independent judiciary, according to external observers such as Transparency International. However, I could never state that the entire judiciary is corrupt or that decisions are entirely controlled by the Executive or other authority. It is too difficult to get the evidence. In your review, you refer to some professor, implying that he is above reproach. Without knowing more, this refernce is a form of a fallacy to &#8220;authority&#8221;, perhaps appropriate or not.</p>
<p>You may be right. However, I believe it is difficult to support all your statements, given their breadth and the challenges posed by making statements about a foreign legal system, though you may have reason to think the process is politically driven.</p>
<p>If I may ask, why are you so pro-Chevron?</p>
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		By: Lago Agrio: Doug Cassel on the New Ecuadoran Judgment &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] a post, Ted Folkman notes that, because Álvarez Grau is a political opponent of Correa, the objectivity [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/11/14/lago-agrio-new-york-update/#comment-1573</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I should probably expand on this post just a bit. With regard to Álvarez I&#039;m really making two points. 

First, it may be that the courts of Ecuador could be deemed systematically inadequate under statutes such as the UFCMJRA. But in light of the forum non conveniens issue in the case, I think it&#039;s very important to know what came before the recent upheavals. A really independent court system? Courts tilted the other way politically? A long period of stability or many swings back and forth?

Second, comity counsels caution in evaluating foreign courts, particularly against evidence submitted by the new government&#039;s enemies, even if they appear (as in this case) to have real credentials.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should probably expand on this post just a bit. With regard to Álvarez I&#8217;m really making two points. </p>
<p>First, it may be that the courts of Ecuador could be deemed systematically inadequate under statutes such as the UFCMJRA. But in light of the forum non conveniens issue in the case, I think it&#8217;s very important to know what came before the recent upheavals. A really independent court system? Courts tilted the other way politically? A long period of stability or many swings back and forth?</p>
<p>Second, comity counsels caution in evaluating foreign courts, particularly against evidence submitted by the new government&#8217;s enemies, even if they appear (as in this case) to have real credentials.</p>
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