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		By: Case of the Day: Phoenix Bulk Carriers v. American Metals Trading &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1315</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] not without precedent&#8212;you may recall previous guest posts by Charles Kotuby, Albéniz Couret, Chris Bray, Antonin I. Pribeti&#038;cacute;, or the space given to Noel Doran on the curious case of Anthony [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] not without precedent&mdash;you may recall previous guest posts by Charles Kotuby, Albéniz Couret, Chris Bray, Antonin I. Pribeti&amp;cacute;, or the space given to Noel Doran on the curious case of Anthony [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Chris Bray		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1314</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 21:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1313&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

I think ultimately that the courts, and the DOJ, have run roughshod not over M+M, but rather over the interviewees. Those former members of violent organizations did a reasonable thing for a reasonable purpose, speaking candidly in an effort to help future social science researchers understand political violence. That&#039;s a positive effort toward a socially valuable goal, and future participants in political violence won&#039;t make the same choice after this. I agree that this whole mess is bad policy in the executive branch more than it&#039;s bad application of law in the courts.

I do notice the reciprocal nature of the MLATs, and I think in this case that it&#039;s another argument against the way they&#039;re currently applied and controlled. &lt;i&gt;The government of the UK is misusing law enforcement authority to pursue a political vendetta against an enemy of the British state, but don&#039;t worry -- it&#039;s totally reciprocal&lt;/i&gt;.

If this MLAT request doesn&#039;t result in law enforcement action, then we need to notice, and we need to reconsider. It seems to me that we are about to see clear evidence that MLATs can be instruments for political recrimination dressed up in a police uniform.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1313">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>I think ultimately that the courts, and the DOJ, have run roughshod not over M+M, but rather over the interviewees. Those former members of violent organizations did a reasonable thing for a reasonable purpose, speaking candidly in an effort to help future social science researchers understand political violence. That&#8217;s a positive effort toward a socially valuable goal, and future participants in political violence won&#8217;t make the same choice after this. I agree that this whole mess is bad policy in the executive branch more than it&#8217;s bad application of law in the courts.</p>
<p>I do notice the reciprocal nature of the MLATs, and I think in this case that it&#8217;s another argument against the way they&#8217;re currently applied and controlled. <i>The government of the UK is misusing law enforcement authority to pursue a political vendetta against an enemy of the British state, but don&#8217;t worry &#8212; it&#8217;s totally reciprocal</i>.</p>
<p>If this MLAT request doesn&#8217;t result in law enforcement action, then we need to notice, and we need to reconsider. It seems to me that we are about to see clear evidence that MLATs can be instruments for political recrimination dressed up in a police uniform.</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1313</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1312&quot;&gt;Chris Bray&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I disagree that there is no judicial oversight&#8212;a court deciding that you have no privilege to refuse to turn over documents is hardly the same as a court refusing to exercise oversight. To put this another way, your view implies that the US rode roughshod over the rights of M&#038;M, but it&#039;s precisely to the question whether M&#038;M &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; a right that the government was seeking to violate that the US courts gave careful consideration and detailed reasons for their ultimate conclusion. 

You could be right that the Attorney General exercised less &lt;em&gt;political&lt;/em&gt; oversight than he should have. The treaty allows him to refuse to comply with a request if he believes that the request would &quot;impair [the United States&#039;s] sovereignty, security, or other essential interests or would be contrary to important public policy,&quot; or in cases of double jeopardy, or if the US regards the offense as &quot;an offense of a political character&quot; or an offense only under military law. These matters are within his discretion, and the remedy for perceived mistakes is, in the end, at the polls. 

I also think your view fails to account for the &lt;em&gt;reciprocal&lt;/em&gt; character of the MLAT. It&#039;s true that the US government agrees to act as agent for the UK government with only limited grounds for refusing a request. But the UK government also acts on our government&#039;s requests. So we benefit from the treaty to the same extent as we are burdened by it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1312">Chris Bray</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I disagree that there is no judicial oversight&mdash;a court deciding that you have no privilege to refuse to turn over documents is hardly the same as a court refusing to exercise oversight. To put this another way, your view implies that the US rode roughshod over the rights of M&amp;M, but it&#8217;s precisely to the question whether M&amp;M <em>had</em> a right that the government was seeking to violate that the US courts gave careful consideration and detailed reasons for their ultimate conclusion. </p>
<p>You could be right that the Attorney General exercised less <em>political</em> oversight than he should have. The treaty allows him to refuse to comply with a request if he believes that the request would &#8220;impair [the United States&#8217;s] sovereignty, security, or other essential interests or would be contrary to important public policy,&#8221; or in cases of double jeopardy, or if the US regards the offense as &#8220;an offense of a political character&#8221; or an offense only under military law. These matters are within his discretion, and the remedy for perceived mistakes is, in the end, at the polls. </p>
<p>I also think your view fails to account for the <em>reciprocal</em> character of the MLAT. It&#8217;s true that the US government agrees to act as agent for the UK government with only limited grounds for refusing a request. But the UK government also acts on our government&#8217;s requests. So we benefit from the treaty to the same extent as we are burdened by it.</p>
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		By: Chris Bray		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1312</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 16:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the UK sought the materials for some reason not contemplated by the MLAT, then it seems to me the fault lies with the MLAT itself as a legal and diplomatic form, and with the political assumptions that underlie its ratification and enforcement. The Massachusetts ACLU&#039;s amicus brief in the First Circuit covered this ground very well. We have a set of international agreements that allow our government to service the political inquisitions of foreign governments with no judicial or political oversight. If the UK uses a legal assistance treaty to get &lt;i&gt;political&lt;/i&gt; assistance, then we should burn the legal assistance treaty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the UK sought the materials for some reason not contemplated by the MLAT, then it seems to me the fault lies with the MLAT itself as a legal and diplomatic form, and with the political assumptions that underlie its ratification and enforcement. The Massachusetts ACLU&#8217;s amicus brief in the First Circuit covered this ground very well. We have a set of international agreements that allow our government to service the political inquisitions of foreign governments with no judicial or political oversight. If the UK uses a legal assistance treaty to get <i>political</i> assistance, then we should burn the legal assistance treaty.</p>
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		By: Belfast Project: Boston Prosecuting Irish Politics &#171; Boston College Subpoena News		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2013/05/06/belfast-project/#comment-1311</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 11:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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