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	Comments on: Doug Cassel on the Lago Agrio Case	</title>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/03/17/doug-cassel-chevron/#comment-526</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[The foodfight at Opino Juris between Professor Cassel and Professor Heller continues. Professor Cassel has &lt;a href=&quot;http://opiniojuris.org/2012/03/27/doug-cassel-responds-to-kevin-jon-heller/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;responded&lt;/a&gt; to Professor Heller&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://opiniojuris.org/2012/03/17/the-other-side-of-chevron/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;attack on Chevron&lt;/a&gt; by picking apart the assertions Heller made about Chevron&#039;s conduct in Ecuador and then asserting that Heller&#039;s attack &quot;turns out to be no more than a pastiche of press releases, hastily and uncritically assembled.&quot; Ouch!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The foodfight at Opino Juris between Professor Cassel and Professor Heller continues. Professor Cassel has <a href="http://opiniojuris.org/2012/03/27/doug-cassel-responds-to-kevin-jon-heller/" rel="nofollow ugc">responded</a> to Professor Heller&#8217;s <a href="http://opiniojuris.org/2012/03/17/the-other-side-of-chevron/" rel="nofollow ugc">attack on Chevron</a> by picking apart the assertions Heller made about Chevron&#8217;s conduct in Ecuador and then asserting that Heller&#8217;s attack &#8220;turns out to be no more than a pastiche of press releases, hastily and uncritically assembled.&#8221; Ouch!</p>
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		By: More on the Doug Cassel Post &#124; Letters Blogatory		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/03/17/doug-cassel-chevron/#comment-525</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] March 17 I commented on Doug Cassel&#8217;s post at Opinio Juris. Professor Cassel is one of the authors of an amicus [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] March 17 I commented on Doug Cassel&#8217;s post at Opinio Juris. Professor Cassel is one of the authors of an amicus [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/03/17/doug-cassel-chevron/#comment-524</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/03/17/doug-cassel-chevron/#comment-523&quot;&gt;Andy Schmidt&lt;/a&gt;.

Andy, thanks for commenting. I don&#039;t claim to know what a US court will do with the estoppel argument, and it&#039;s good to hear different views. 

I have two responses to your comment. First, I don&#039;t see why the fact that Texaco did not know that the Ecuadoran proceedings would turn out to be corrupt matters. In a judicial estoppel case, it&#039;s not the truth of the representations to the court that matters, it seems to me. Second, you write: &quot;We can&#039;t have a system where a motion on forum non conveniens grounds gives the plaintiffs open season to undermine the new court.&quot; Why is this more compelling than the point that we shouldn&#039;t have a system where a party can avoid the jurisdiction of the US courts by pointing to the high quality of the relevant foreign courts and then avoid the judgment of the foreign court by pointing to the low quality of the same court it previously touted? 

I should say that there are good arguments against estoppel here. One is that Texaco&#039;s stipulation in the New York proceeding expressly reserved the right to challenge the Ecuadoran judgment on the grounds permitted by the Uniform Foreign Money Judgment Recognition Act. Another is that even if there is an estoppel, Chevron should be estopped only to assert that the Ecuadoran judiciary overall is corrupt, and not that there was corruption in the particular proceeding. A third is that there was a real change in the Ecuadoran judiciary between the time Chevron made its representations to the US court and the time the case was decided in Ecuador (although I think there is a counter-argument to this, namely that Chevron more or less assumed the risk).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/03/17/doug-cassel-chevron/#comment-523">Andy Schmidt</a>.</p>
<p>Andy, thanks for commenting. I don&#8217;t claim to know what a US court will do with the estoppel argument, and it&#8217;s good to hear different views. </p>
<p>I have two responses to your comment. First, I don&#8217;t see why the fact that Texaco did not know that the Ecuadoran proceedings would turn out to be corrupt matters. In a judicial estoppel case, it&#8217;s not the truth of the representations to the court that matters, it seems to me. Second, you write: &#8220;We can&#8217;t have a system where a motion on forum non conveniens grounds gives the plaintiffs open season to undermine the new court.&#8221; Why is this more compelling than the point that we shouldn&#8217;t have a system where a party can avoid the jurisdiction of the US courts by pointing to the high quality of the relevant foreign courts and then avoid the judgment of the foreign court by pointing to the low quality of the same court it previously touted? </p>
<p>I should say that there are good arguments against estoppel here. One is that Texaco&#8217;s stipulation in the New York proceeding expressly reserved the right to challenge the Ecuadoran judgment on the grounds permitted by the Uniform Foreign Money Judgment Recognition Act. Another is that even if there is an estoppel, Chevron should be estopped only to assert that the Ecuadoran judiciary overall is corrupt, and not that there was corruption in the particular proceeding. A third is that there was a real change in the Ecuadoran judiciary between the time Chevron made its representations to the US court and the time the case was decided in Ecuador (although I think there is a counter-argument to this, namely that Chevron more or less assumed the risk).</p>
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		By: Andy Schmidt		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2012/03/17/doug-cassel-chevron/#comment-523</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not understanding this estoppel argument.  Texaco didn&#039;t know that the plaintiffs were going to bribe the court&#039;s expert when it said the judiciary was competent to handle the case.  We can&#039;t have a system where a motion on forum non convivens grounds gives the plaintiffs open season to undermine the new court.  If anyone should be estopped, it is the plaintiffs from arguing estoppel because they have very dirty hands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not understanding this estoppel argument.  Texaco didn&#8217;t know that the plaintiffs were going to bribe the court&#8217;s expert when it said the judiciary was competent to handle the case.  We can&#8217;t have a system where a motion on forum non convivens grounds gives the plaintiffs open season to undermine the new court.  If anyone should be estopped, it is the plaintiffs from arguing estoppel because they have very dirty hands.</p>
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