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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/01/case-of-the-day-us-v-kashamu/#comment-333</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/01/case-of-the-day-us-v-kashamu/#comment-332&quot;&gt;Paula Thomas&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the comment, Paula! I have heard the complaint that the new treaty favors the US over the UK. It&#039;s clear, though, that the United States government is generally pretty good about seeking judicial assistance on behalf of the UK government, even when there are significant domestic constituencies that want to put on the brakes. See, for example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://lettersblogatory.com/tag/belfast-project&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;the Belfast Project case&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://lettersblogatory.com/2013/07/26/new-extradition-case-in-boston/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;the new Alexander Hilton extradition case&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/01/case-of-the-day-us-v-kashamu/#comment-332">Paula Thomas</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, Paula! I have heard the complaint that the new treaty favors the US over the UK. It&#8217;s clear, though, that the United States government is generally pretty good about seeking judicial assistance on behalf of the UK government, even when there are significant domestic constituencies that want to put on the brakes. See, for example, <a href="http://lettersblogatory.com/tag/belfast-project" rel="nofollow ugc">the Belfast Project case</a> or <a href="http://lettersblogatory.com/2013/07/26/new-extradition-case-in-boston/" rel="nofollow ugc">the new Alexander Hilton extradition case</a>.</p>
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		By: Paula Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/01/case-of-the-day-us-v-kashamu/#comment-330&quot;&gt;Ted Folkman&lt;/a&gt;.

This case and the Assange case were decided under different extradition treaties hence the apparent difference. The new treaty came into force in 2007 and required the US to only prove &#039;reasonable suspicion&#039; the old one required rather more. 

As an aside the new treaty is, in some quarters in the UK, regarded as unbalanced in favour of the US. However ratification in the US was delayed because PIRA supporters feared the UK would use the new treaty against them. So, as the saying goes you takes yer money and yer makes yer choice!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/01/case-of-the-day-us-v-kashamu/#comment-330">Ted Folkman</a>.</p>
<p>This case and the Assange case were decided under different extradition treaties hence the apparent difference. The new treaty came into force in 2007 and required the US to only prove &#8216;reasonable suspicion&#8217; the old one required rather more. </p>
<p>As an aside the new treaty is, in some quarters in the UK, regarded as unbalanced in favour of the US. However ratification in the US was delayed because PIRA supporters feared the UK would use the new treaty against them. So, as the saying goes you takes yer money and yer makes yer choice!!</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
		<link>https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/01/case-of-the-day-us-v-kashamu/#comment-331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bakermckenzie.com/PeterTomczak/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Peter T. Tomczak&lt;/a&gt; of Baker &amp; McKenzie has a good article on &lt;em&gt;Kashamu&lt;/em&gt; in the new issue of &lt;em&gt;Litigation.&lt;/em&gt; Of particular interest: given that Judge Posner leaves the door open to use of the foreign jurisdiction&#039;s law to determine the preclusive effect a US court will give to the foreign judgment, Tomczak points out the possibilities for forum shopping: &quot;A party may strategically commence litigation in a jurisdiction that has narrower or no preclusion rules, with the plan to export victories to jurisdictions with broader preclusion rules if initially successful, but to continue in the first forum and avoid an end to the litigation if initially unsuccessful.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bakermckenzie.com/PeterTomczak/" rel="nofollow ugc">Peter T. Tomczak</a> of Baker &#038; McKenzie has a good article on <em>Kashamu</em> in the new issue of <em>Litigation.</em> Of particular interest: given that Judge Posner leaves the door open to use of the foreign jurisdiction&#8217;s law to determine the preclusive effect a US court will give to the foreign judgment, Tomczak points out the possibilities for forum shopping: &#8220;A party may strategically commence litigation in a jurisdiction that has narrower or no preclusion rules, with the plan to export victories to jurisdictions with broader preclusion rules if initially successful, but to continue in the first forum and avoid an end to the litigation if initially unsuccessful.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ted Folkman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Folkman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting to consider the English proceedings in Kashamu&#039;s case with the proceedings in the case of &lt;a href=&quot;http://lettersblogatory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Assange.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Julian Assange&lt;/a&gt;, which was handed down today. I won&#039;t comment at length, other than to say that the court seems clearly to be saying (to put things in American terms) that where the arrest warrant sets out probable cause, the court should not refer to extraneous evidence except in exceptional circumstances.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to consider the English proceedings in Kashamu&#8217;s case with the proceedings in the case of <a href="http://lettersblogatory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Assange.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">Julian Assange</a>, which was handed down today. I won&#8217;t comment at length, other than to say that the court seems clearly to be saying (to put things in American terms) that where the arrest warrant sets out probable cause, the court should not refer to extraneous evidence except in exceptional circumstances.</p>
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